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3+ Hours to Transfer 13G to a 1TB Seagate Drive??

Discussion in 'Windows XP' started by W. eWatson, Feb 1, 2010.

  1. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Flightless Bird

    I'm making the transfer right now. Maybe I plugged it into a USB 1.0
    port? I'd swear I did a 4.6G in well under an hour a week ago. Is there
    a way to tell if I'm using 1.0 or 2.0?

    BTW, is there a way to pause the xfer?
     
  2. SC Tom

    SC Tom Flightless Bird

    "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
    news:hk863j$j13$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    > I'm making the transfer right now. Maybe I plugged it into a USB 1.0 port?
    > I'd swear I did a 4.6G in well under an hour a week ago. Is there a way to
    > tell if I'm using 1.0 or 2.0?
    >
    > BTW, is there a way to pause the xfer?


    Open device manager (Start, run, type in devmgmt.msc and press Enter) and go
    to Universal Serial Bus Controllers. Look for an entry labeled Standard
    Enhanced PCI to USB Controller, or something similar with the word Enhanced.
    That would mean you have USB2.0 installed. You may also have 1.0, but not
    likely unless it's an older motherboard. If it is, the front of the case
    ports are more likely to be 1.0 than the rear ports.
    --
    SC Tom
     
  3. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Flightless Bird

    SC Tom wrote:
    >
    > "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
    > news:hk863j$j13$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >> I'm making the transfer right now. Maybe I plugged it into a USB 1.0
    >> port? I'd swear I did a 4.6G in well under an hour a week ago. Is
    >> there a way to tell if I'm using 1.0 or 2.0?
    >>
    >> BTW, is there a way to pause the xfer?

    >
    > Open device manager (Start, run, type in devmgmt.msc and press Enter)
    > and go to Universal Serial Bus Controllers. Look for an entry labeled
    > Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Controller, or something similar with the
    > word Enhanced. That would mean you have USB2.0 installed. You may also
    > have 1.0, but not likely unless it's an older motherboard. If it is, the
    > front of the case ports are more likely to be 1.0 than the rear ports.

    I have 2.0 installed. I'm pretty sure it's in the back, which where I
    have the HD installed. I'll look at the Device Mgr.

    It could take months to get my new Win 7 machine set up. Yikes.
     
  4. mm

    mm Flightless Bird

    On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:41:24 -0800, "W. eWatson"
    <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote:

    >SC Tom wrote:
    >>
    >> "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
    >> news:hk863j$j13$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>> I'm making the transfer right now. Maybe I plugged it into a USB 1.0
    >>> port? I'd swear I did a 4.6G in well under an hour a week ago. Is
    >>> there a way to tell if I'm using 1.0 or 2.0?
    >>>
    >>> BTW, is there a way to pause the xfer?

    >>
    >> Open device manager (Start, run, type in devmgmt.msc and press Enter)
    >> and go to Universal Serial Bus Controllers. Look for an entry labeled
    >> Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Controller, or something similar with the
    >> word Enhanced. That would mean you have USB2.0 installed. You may also
    >> have 1.0, but not likely unless it's an older motherboard. If it is, the
    >> front of the case ports are more likely to be 1.0 than the rear ports.

    >I have 2.0 installed. I'm pretty sure it's in the back, which where I
    >have the HD installed. I'll look at the Device Mgr.
    >
    >It could take months to get my new Win 7 machine set up. Yikes.


    A) Anything good is worth waiting for.

    8) This is your punishment for leaving XP.

    More likely B.
     
  5. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    W. eWatson wrote:
    > SC Tom wrote:
    >>
    >> "W. eWatson" <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote in message
    >> news:hk863j$j13$1@news.eternal-september.org...
    >>> I'm making the transfer right now. Maybe I plugged it into a USB 1.0
    >>> port? I'd swear I did a 4.6G in well under an hour a week ago. Is
    >>> there a way to tell if I'm using 1.0 or 2.0?
    >>>
    >>> BTW, is there a way to pause the xfer?

    >>
    >> Open device manager (Start, run, type in devmgmt.msc and press Enter)
    >> and go to Universal Serial Bus Controllers. Look for an entry labeled
    >> Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Controller, or something similar with the
    >> word Enhanced. That would mean you have USB2.0 installed. You may also
    >> have 1.0, but not likely unless it's an older motherboard. If it is,
    >> the front of the case ports are more likely to be 1.0 than the rear
    >> ports.

    > I have 2.0 installed. I'm pretty sure it's in the back, which where I
    > have the HD installed. I'll look at the Device Mgr.
    >
    > It could take months to get my new Win 7 machine set up. Yikes.


    It should take roughly 3.6 hours to transfer 13GB at USB1.1 rates.
    USB 1.1 manages about 1MB/sec for transfers, compared to 30MB/sec
    if you are using USB 2.0. That "Enhanced" entry makes a difference :)

    You can use UVCView to check the current connection rate. The naming
    scheme in USB, leaves a bit to be desired.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB

    # A *low* speed rate of 1.5 Mbit/s (~183 KB/s) is defined by USB 1.0.
    It is very similar to "full speed" operation except each bit takes 8 times
    as long to transmit. It is intended primarily to save cost in low-bandwidth
    human interface devices (HID) such as keyboards, mice, and joysticks.

    # The *full* speed rate of 12 Mbit/s (~1.43 MB/s) is the basic USB data rate
    defined by USB 1.1. All USB hubs support full speed.

    # A *hi-speed* (USB 2.0) rate of 480 Mbit/s (~57 MB/s) was introduced in 2001.
    All hi-speed devices are capable of falling back to full-speed operation if
    necessary; they are backward compatible. Connectors are identical."

    I was using UVCView just yesterday, while running Win2K on the machine, and
    noticed the dreaded "full speed" indication on my external USB enclosure. I
    used Device Manager to reinstall the USB and finally got it back to "hi-speed".
    "Full speed" gives 1MB/sec practical transfer rate. "Hi-speed" gives 30MB/sec.
    Storage devices really shouldn't be running in the "low" speed option.

    Paul
     
  6. Lem

    Lem Flightless Bird

    W. eWatson wrote:
    > I'm making the transfer right now. Maybe I plugged it into a USB 1.0
    > port? I'd swear I did a 4.6G in well under an hour a week ago. Is there
    > a way to tell if I'm using 1.0 or 2.0?
    >
    > BTW, is there a way to pause the xfer?


    Well,

    1 GB = 1073741824 bits, so 13 GB = 13958643712 bits;
    3 hours = 10800 seconds

    Thus 13 GB in 3 hours = 13958643712/10800 = 1292467 bps = 1.29 Mbps

    "The full speed rate of 12 Mbit/s (~1.43 MB/s) is the basic USB data
    rate defined by USB 1.1." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb)

    So yes, it looks like you're connected using USB 1.1.

    Usually, Windows will tell you when you connect a USB 2 capable device
    into a USB 1 (or USB 1.1) port with the message, "This device can
    perform faster if you connect it to a Hi-Speed USB 2.0 port - For a list
    of available ports, click here". I suggest you stop the transfer,
    unplug your drive, and reconnect it to see if you get the message.

    --
    Lem

    Apollo 11 - 40 years ago:
    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/40th/index.html
     
  7. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Flightless Bird

    On 2/1/2010 9:18 PM, mm wrote:
    > On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:41:24 -0800, "W. eWatson"
    > <wolftracks@invalid.com> wrote:
    >
    >> SC Tom wrote:
    >>>

    ..
    >>> word Enhanced. That would mean you have USB2.0 installed. You may also
    >>> have 1.0, but not likely unless it's an older motherboard. If it is, the
    >>> front of the case ports are more likely to be 1.0 than the rear ports.

    >> I have 2.0 installed. I'm pretty sure it's in the back, which where I
    >> have the HD installed. I'll look at the Device Mgr.
    >>
    >> It could take months to get my new Win 7 machine set up. Yikes.

    >
    > A) Anything good is worth waiting for.
    >
    > 8) This is your punishment for leaving XP.

    You might be right. :)
    >
    > More likely B.
     
  8. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Flightless Bird

    On 2/1/2010 10:57 PM, Lem wrote:
    > W. eWatson wrote:
    >> I'm making the transfer right now. Maybe I plugged it into a USB 1.0
    >> port? I'd swear I did a 4.6G in well under an hour a week ago. Is
    >> there a way to tell if I'm using 1.0 or 2.0?
    >>
    >> BTW, is there a way to pause the xfer?

    >
    > Well,
    >
    > 1 GB = 1073741824 bits, so 13 GB = 13958643712 bits;
    > 3 hours = 10800 seconds
    >
    > Thus 13 GB in 3 hours = 13958643712/10800 = 1292467 bps = 1.29 Mbps
    >
    > "The full speed rate of 12 Mbit/s (~1.43 MB/s) is the basic USB data
    > rate defined by USB 1.1." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb)
    >
    > So yes, it looks like you're connected using USB 1.1.
    >
    > Usually, Windows will tell you when you connect a USB 2 capable device
    > into a USB 1 (or USB 1.1) port with the message, "This device can
    > perform faster if you connect it to a Hi-Speed USB 2.0 port - For a list
    > of available ports, click here". I suggest you stop the transfer, unplug
    > your drive, and reconnect it to see if you get the message.
    >

    As I recall the Seagate Agent drive has no way to stop it. No that's
    wrong. I had trouble finding the icon on w7, but it's easily accessible
    in xp. W7 too, once you've developed some navigational knowledge of it.
     
  9. smlunatick

    smlunatick Flightless Bird

    On Feb 2, 12:24 pm, "W. eWatson" <wolftra...@invalid.com> wrote:
    > On 2/1/2010 10:57 PM, Lem wrote:
    >
    > > W. eWatson wrote:
    > >> I'm making the transfer right now. Maybe I plugged it into a USB 1.0
    > >> port? I'd swear I did a 4.6G in well under an hour a week ago. Is
    > >> there a way to tell if I'm using 1.0 or 2.0?

    >
    > >> BTW, is there a way to pause the xfer?

    >
    > > Well,

    >
    > > 1 GB = 1073741824 bits, so 13 GB = 13958643712 bits;
    > > 3 hours = 10800 seconds

    >
    > > Thus 13 GB in 3 hours = 13958643712/10800 = 1292467 bps = 1.29 Mbps

    >
    > > "The full speed rate of 12 Mbit/s (~1.43 MB/s) is the basic USB data
    > > rate defined by USB 1.1." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb)

    >
    > > So yes, it looks like you're connected using USB 1.1.

    >
    > > Usually, Windows will tell you when you connect a USB 2 capable device
    > > into a USB 1 (or USB 1.1) port with the message, "This device can
    > > perform faster if you connect it to a Hi-Speed USB 2.0 port - For a list
    > > of available ports, click here". I suggest you stop the transfer, unplug
    > > your drive, and reconnect it to see if you get the message.

    >
    > As I recall the Seagate Agent drive has no way to stop it. No that's
    > wrong. I had trouble finding the icon on w7, but it's easily accessible
    > in xp. W7 too, once you've developed some navigational knowledge of it.


    You should check the hard drive with the manufacturer's diagnostic
    tools. Also, you may need to disconnect the other USB devices while
    you are copying. USB power is shared over the entire number of ports.
     
  10. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Flightless Bird

    Re: 3+ Hours to Transfer 13G to a 1TB Seagate Drive?? (On 1.0 USB!)

    On 2/2/2010 6:37 AM, smlunatick wrote:
    ....
    >> As I recall the Seagate Agent drive has no way to stop it. No that's
    >> wrong. I had trouble finding the icon on w7, but it's easily accessible
    >> in xp. W7 too, once you've developed some navigational knowledge of it.

    >
    > You should check the hard drive with the manufacturer's diagnostic
    > tools. Also, you may need to disconnect the other USB devices while
    > you are copying. USB power is shared over the entire number of ports.

    OK, I was on a USB 1.0 port, which surprised me, since I thought the
    ports on the USB card in the back of the PC were all 2.0. I guess the
    only way I'm going to find out where the 2.0 ports are is to keep
    plugging the cable until I find one. The PC is 5-6 years old, and I know
    it has a 2.0 port somewhere.
     
  11. W. eWatson

    W. eWatson Flightless Bird

    Re: 3+ Hours... 13G to a 1TB Seagate Drive?? (On 1.0 USB!)

    On 2/2/2010 8:23 AM, W. eWatson wrote:
    > On 2/2/2010 6:37 AM, smlunatick wrote:
    > ...
    >>> As I recall the Seagate Agent drive has no way to stop it. No that's
    >>> wrong. I had trouble finding the icon on w7, but it's easily accessible
    >>> in xp. W7 too, once you've developed some navigational knowledge of it.

    >>
    >> You should check the hard drive with the manufacturer's diagnostic
    >> tools. Also, you may need to disconnect the other USB devices while
    >> you are copying. USB power is shared over the entire number of ports.

    > OK, I was on a USB 1.0 port, which surprised me, since I thought the
    > ports on the USB card in the back of the PC were all 2.0. I guess the
    > only way I'm going to find out where the 2.0 ports are is to keep
    > plugging the cable until I find one. The PC is 5-6 years old, and I know
    > it has a 2.0 port somewhere.


    Well, I think I found 2.0. I have two USB cards. I see in Device Mgr now
    show Enhanced PCI to USB Host.

    Historically on this PC, I think w/i a year or so of the purchase I
    bought a PCI two port card, then years later a four port 2.0. One slot
    on the latter was open, so that's where the FreeAgent drive is now.

    I just xferred 4.1G across in about 7-8 minutes. That's 25 mins for 13G,
    so about 10 times faster. I'm feeling better already. :)
     
  12. Paul

    Paul Flightless Bird

    Re: 3+ Hours... 13G to a 1TB Seagate Drive?? (On 1.0 USB!)

    W. eWatson wrote:
    > On 2/2/2010 8:23 AM, W. eWatson wrote:
    >> On 2/2/2010 6:37 AM, smlunatick wrote:
    >> ...
    >>>> As I recall the Seagate Agent drive has no way to stop it. No that's
    >>>> wrong. I had trouble finding the icon on w7, but it's easily accessible
    >>>> in xp. W7 too, once you've developed some navigational knowledge of it.
    >>>
    >>> You should check the hard drive with the manufacturer's diagnostic
    >>> tools. Also, you may need to disconnect the other USB devices while
    >>> you are copying. USB power is shared over the entire number of ports.

    >> OK, I was on a USB 1.0 port, which surprised me, since I thought the
    >> ports on the USB card in the back of the PC were all 2.0. I guess the
    >> only way I'm going to find out where the 2.0 ports are is to keep
    >> plugging the cable until I find one. The PC is 5-6 years old, and I know
    >> it has a 2.0 port somewhere.

    >
    > Well, I think I found 2.0. I have two USB cards. I see in Device Mgr now
    > show Enhanced PCI to USB Host.
    >
    > Historically on this PC, I think w/i a year or so of the purchase I
    > bought a PCI two port card, then years later a four port 2.0. One slot
    > on the latter was open, so that's where the FreeAgent drive is now.
    >
    > I just xferred 4.1G across in about 7-8 minutes. That's 25 mins for 13G,
    > so about 10 times faster. I'm feeling better already. :)


    You can use the free version of HDTune, from hdtune.com, to check
    sustained transfer speed on a hard drive. It saves you the trouble
    of doing it with a stopwatch, and you can actually complete a test
    in seconds (i.e. stop it when you've seen enough graphical data).

    http://hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe

    Paul
     

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